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Dunkirk – 2017 Nolan
- There’s a tangible impact of 70mm/IMAX cameras and no CGI
- It’s a walk-out-of-the-theater masterpiece (my 5th of the decade I believe) but you’re not aware of it in the first 20 minutes like birdman or la la land– it takes the entirety of the time and time the finale to fully appreciate
- Nolan is smart to fill many frames with extras—it not only helps add realism to the dire situation in the narrative but, more importantly, gives such an epic scope and multiple visual focal points to the large landscape, establishing shots, and 70mm/imax longer lens
- For the beauty of the aerial shots- which I’m not sure have been ever matched- my closest comparison might be the gorgeous work in out of Africa and the English patient (both of whom went on to win best picture and best cinematography in 1985 and 1996)- I kept thinking of the howard hughes line from leo in the aviator about how the plane battles needed clouds for context and scope but clearly clouds are no match for the horizon and gorgeous open sea shot here by Hoyte van Hoytema and Nolan
- The film’s straight narrative is really a series of deadlines and brilliant manipulation of space and time through editing—I think this may bother some diehard Nolan fans who fell in love with him because of his unique narratives and clever ideas on memory and perception— as a visceral experience though it’s hard to top and although it’s done differently (long takes and floating camera) Cuaron achieves much of the same effect in gravity (there’s more depth to both of these films than some critics will recognize)
- Brilliantly Nolan chooses to go at this film from land, sea and air- and manipulates the time beautifully—it’s such a calculate use of narrative structure (would you expect anything else from Nolan?)- very unlike other ingenious narrative restructuring efforts like rashoman, tarantino’s work or Iñárritu work
- It’s much closer to a pure style exercise then Nolan has ever been. There’s no set up here aside from the some tangent comments along the way and the opening title card preface—the entire film doesn’t really need a lot of words actually
- It could be Hans Zimmer’s greatest achievement with the musical score and he’s done some astonishing work before in dark knight, inception, gladiator, thin red line, rain man, lion king– he’s an all-timer now
- There’s so much depth there with the musical score and the narrative time construct mechanism
- Even the plane landing at the end with the wheels coming out isn’t done simply— there’s no wasted sequence in the entire film- this is a dazzling mini-film and exemplary use of film montage and editing
- I’ve said before that Nolan’s greatest strengths are his establishing shots and (mainly) his cross cutting (particularly with multi-narratives) and this film is basically this for the entire running time instead of an elaborate and complicated set-up with some of this in-between and a finale
- I think for many when deciding on whether this is his best work to date it will come down to if you prefer Nolan the director (master editor and montagist to beautiful imagery) or the screenwriter
- There are many films to compare it to- the work of Leone (another great all-time montagist) – the way we have 3 parts that are separate but connected and come together has to be compared to once upon a time in the west and the good, the bad, and the ugly—but perhaps the main film I think about is intolerance with how Griffith weaves his stories together slowly at first and then ramps up the pace—marvelous
- As a critic and devotee to cinema- I personally kind of love that we have a clear masterpiece here that’s not all about tracking shots- I was starting to feel like I was married to that kind of work (birdman, la la land, etc) and without it I wouldn’t be able to call a modern day film a big masterpiece- love to see that isn’t the case here and there are clearly many ways to create film art and moving the camera like cuaron does is just one such vehicle
- It goes without saying at this point but you are watching an auteur who is it absolute and total control—certainly the comparisons to a watchmaker or a chess strategist aren’t wrong
- I doubt if I’ll see a more beautifully photographed film all year and I’m positive I won’t see a better edited one
- The performances are not the headline here but they are all very good. Branagh would be my single favorite if forced to pick as his face and reaction is a the Kuleshov effect reaction shot more often than anyone else and he’s great at it
- What can you make of Hardy here? Yet another brilliant film where we don’t see his face for basically the entire thing (dark knight rises, mad max: fury road). I will say that his scene at the end with the plane on fire- being the face of the hero- is huge and not just any actor could pull that off- you need a big star and preferably a masculine one
- It is an all-time war film but as much a Nolan film as anything he’s done- it reminds me of the thin red line in that way where the canvass of the war is just a launching point for malick and nolan’s unique expression of cinematic style
- The best edited film in years
- Masterpiece
Drake2020-07-03T10:31:32-04:00
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Are there any single edits you would see as a standout favourite or more just appreciative of the whole consistent structure?
In terms of specific cuts I like the most:
– The rapidly filling with water ship (mole) cut to Jack Lowden’s cockpit filling with water (air)
– Jack Lowden looking up to the sky hopefully (water) cut to Hardy fighting an enemy plane to defend the water (air)
@Drake- Have you seen the original Dunkirk film with John Mills and Richard Attenborough in 1958? The first part is building up the story and getting to ‘Dunkirk’ but the last part is strong filled with tension and bombs landing everywhere in real-time.
@Malith- I have – yes
@Drake- Did you archive it?
@Drake – In regards to The Return and Phantom Thread, I have them as MP and HR/MS respectively but, the problem here is how quickly they have become established in the consensus in comparison to Dunkirk. I think this is because of Nolan being more associated with blockbusters and Lynch and PTA being considered more arthouse driven auteurs. What do you think?
@Alex-I think “grounded” is a key word. Most critics don’t put Nolan’s films above other top tier films because they are about ambitious people, ambitious concepts and are big in nature.
@Malith – But what’s wrong with that? I don’t think his ambitious projects miss the mark at all. From TDK in 2008, all his films are MS or higher with the exception of Tenet.
Yeah I didn’t mean their quality. But why they are generally underrated by the TSPDT consensus. I didn’t mean ambitious in that way. I meant Nolan has ambitious concepts, ideas laid out in a bigger scale in his films.
@Drake – Why do you think Dunkirk is underrated by the consensus as evidenced by its rating of around 3000 on TSPDT but Phantom Thread and Twin Peaks : The Return are at 450 and 500 respectively? It’s the same with all Nolan films.
@Alex- I’ll let others chime in here if they like
@Alex – Interesting since Dunkirk has a 92 on Rotten Tomatoes and 94 on Metacritic. And for Metacritic it is tied with two other films for the best film of 2017
With Nolan I am curious as how he will be regarded in say 30 years. I feel like with the uber ambitious auteurs their work stands the test of time: Kubrick, Tarkovsky, Malick, Coppola. Obviously Malick and Coppola are still around but it is safe to say their top level works are highly regarded. Perhaps Nolan is not quite at this level but in terms of ambition he has to be close
I think some people feel that Nolan’s films are too focused on concepts and ideas. Of course many of the great films are challenging such as 2001, Mirror, Tree of Life. But with Nolan they are challenging in a different way that has more to do with plot. Obviously this is not the case with Dunkirk but films like Memento, Inception, Interstellar, and of course Tenet. I am a Nolan admirer for sure so I am not saying I take issue with this but I think some might. Although Tenet is the most confusing film I have ever seen, I have only seen it once and not sure I will even try again which is not something I say often. Again Nolan films are challenging but in a different way. After watching Mirror (1975) for the first time I was struck with awe. After watching Inception for the first time I just wanted to read the Wikipedia Page to understand the plot of what I had just watched. Again I am a Nolan admirer so this is me playing a bit of devil’s advocate because even the most confusing of his work (aside from Tenet) is awe inspiring. Interstellar (2014) blew me away during my most recent viewing
@James Trapp-Honestly I think Nolan is underrated because;
1.He makes mainstream blockbuster films-TSPDT/critics are more focused on dramatic/experimental grounded films.
2.Lack of diversity and female representation in his films-Especially in recent years female centered films have rapidly improved their reputation and Nolan makes male centric films. Killers of the Flower Moon is #1 for 2023 on TSPDT mainly because it focuses on the tragedies that happen to an indigenous community.
@Malith – That’s a completely accurate point. I was surprised to see KOTFM as #1 for 2023 too. The thing with critics these days I think is that they forces more on inclusivity and “high-art” films. For them, something like Anatomy of a Fall is better than Oppenheimer just because of these things. They forget that the most acclaimed films ever include some big blockbusters like 2001, The Godfather and La Dolce Vita. These days, ‘Small is better’.
@Alex and @Malith- certainly there an unfortunate “content over style” and “what’s your message?” return which is really too bad. Though it doesn’t really pertain to the original question here with Twin Peaks: The Return and Phantom Thread
@Drake – Have you seen this site before? It has an interesting way of visualizing a films color palette?
https://moviepalette.com/products/dunkirk-2017?srsltid=AfmBOoqhVATwkGec868t6Z8PmJ3f_tjocomJlTQDQ3fDAjxcxneF9F-o
@James Trapp- Great share- and I had not seen this site before.
This this film an example of elite film form? That is the three structure story with the ground, the water, and in the air.
*Is this film an example of elite film form? That is the three structure story with the ground, the water, and in the air.
@James Trapp– absolutely
Since we’re talking about Dunkirk it’s time to ask.
I recently saw JFK again i remembered what you said about being a milestone in movie editing.
How would you compare Dunkirk to JFK? is it better edited?
@Aldo- I don’t know about better- but they both feel like they’re the watershed moments of their decade on editing– which put them on a short-list for all-time important films in the category
Rosenbaum is another who I consider a very good and often insightful writer about film but his evaluations are severely hit or miss.
By contrast someone like Peter Travers is severely lacking as a writer and seldom offers insight suited for more than a blurb on the movie poster… but he has pretty excellent taste.
@Matt Harris- I haven’t read much reviews from Brody, so probably you know his work better but from what I have read he has extremely bat takes on many great films.
What’s your opinion of Jonathan Rosenbaum and generally critics who support foreign and international cinema because I can’t get behind many of those lists and films.
Richard Brody is a notorious contrarian and cantankerous old crank. Almost like a much smarter, better writing, Armond White.
@Cinephile– Sounds good– and yeah I do the same thing- I get frustrated with the few dissenters —I’m like “how could anyone who knows what they’re talking about not think this is good?” but the truth is the majority of the critics usually do get it right. Brody’s take is the outlier.
@Drake, I’m definitely with you on Brody’s review. As for the “many critics struggled” well my bad, you’re right here, I was mostly thinking some reviews in my country where critics had problems of the type “not emotional connection with the characters” but as you said the criticism should be on what Nolan aimed for and not what he didn’t.
@Cinephile— I just read it- I believe for the first time but maybe I came across it in 2017. I don’t think too much of it if I’m being honest. Brody is a great writer and when he’s correct on a film, he’s worth a read– but here he’s applying criteria that Nolan doesn’t aim for (making it a character study). It’d be like asking Taxi Driver or Citizen Kane (films that do that I think– unquestionably well) to tell a mosaic of brilliant parallel editing. I wonder what Brody would say about Battleship Potemkin– a film that shares much with Nolan’s Dunkirk. You certainly couldn’t argue Eisenstein’s masterpiece is a great character study.
I’d also have to take a bit of an issue with your characterization that “many critics struggled with it”– I’m thrilled you disagree with those who did but I don’t think many did. Dunkirk has a 94 on metacritic– simply one of the best scores for a first-run film– ever. It has 93% positive on Rotten Tomatoes– it did very well on the 2017 year-end lists. This is certainly very close to consensus, universal praise. At least as close (or nearly) as we ever get.
Have you read Richard Brody’s negative review on Dunkirk and why you think many critics struggled with it ? I obviously disagree with them.
A film more like a symphony of images and sounds than a film itself. I salute you for #4 of the decade, although I’m not done with my list and don’t know exactly where it’ll end up. But I can proudly say it’s one of the masterpieces with a capital M.
@Nathan– “symphony of images and sounds”— love that. Happy to hear we’re on the same page here. Thanks for sharing. When you’re done your list please share it.
Of course ill share it! As far as I see we are also on the same page in The Tree of Life, The Master, Roma and probably all of the top 10 and many outside of it, I don’t know about the numbers they’ll end up but expect my list to be very “in agreement” with yours.
@Nathan– Sounds like a good list- haha. Invariably the bulk of the discussion tends to land on the films we differ on– that can be good, too. Sometimes there’s something I’m not seeing in a specific film or just a film I need to rewatch. Hearing a different perspective can help.
@Nathan
I like the cut of your jib.
First post on your blog for me–looks great by the way–and obviously we’re totally on the same page about Dunkirk. I’m hoping to make the trek out to Toronto this weekend to see it in 70mm Imax… expecting a life changing experience!
Thank you, sir! I’m very happy we’re on the same page here with dunkirk