Del Toro. It may take another 10-15 years for everyone else to catch up but we’re witnessing something here with Cuaron, Inarritu and del Toro. These three Mexican auteurs are Truffaut/Godard/Varda or Herzog/Fassbinder/Wenders for the 21st century. They won 5 of the 10 best director Oscars in the 2010’s. Del Toro’s strengths are that he’s a style-plus auteur and has a one of the best films in back to back decades- the 2000’s and 2010’s. The images below would indicate I owe both Crimson Peak and The Devil’s Backbone a closer look and reconsideration as well.


Best film: Pan’s Labyrinth
- It is eerily similar to The Shape of Water– the mark of an auteur- tragically sad, a meditation on escapism
- The performances are great—Maribel Verdu from Y Tu Mama Tambien– Sergi Lopez as Vidal “You may think I’m a monster”— He’s Michael Shannon in Shape– — and to me the top prize goes to Ivana Baquero as the young Ofella- so genuine
- Ebert called it “one of the all-time great fantasy films” while rallying for and praising the Mexican new wave auteurs like del Toro, Cuaron and Inarritu
- Jaded adults and realism (with some unspeakable evils)—del toro does lessen the blow of the finale with the escapism finish—it’s just like shape of water finale
- a baroque melding of worlds- black-heavy mise-en-scene- lots of greens on Ofelia as well but it isn’t quite as painterly (especially the non-labyrinth scenes) as Shape of Water. I think the narrative is stronger though
- fable and fairy table—Alice is clearly an influence, surrealism of David Lynch, Night of the Hunter with the point of view of the children to a wildly sadistic killer—I see Fanny and Alexander with the evil step father and there’s Cinderella of course there as well.
- mise en scene brilliance throughout but particularly in the cave of the Pale Man- immaculate
- it’s dark- both in visual shading and mood—clearly defined good and evil
- begins with flashback reverse photography then prologue opening of fable
- fascism—political just like shape of water– Escapism- She reads books, reads them to her little brother in the womb (who she sacrifices for)
- the labyrinth is gorgeous and the singularly most brilliant image is Ophelia entering that tree


total archiveable films: 6
top 100 films: 0
top 500 films: 1 (Pan’s Labyrinth)
top 100 films of the decade: 2 (Pan’s Labyrinth, The Shape of Water)
most overrated: Nothing here for del Toro. He only has one film in the TSPDT top 1000 and it’s Pan’s Labyrinth at #541. I have it at #281 but 541 is really good for a film as recent as 2006.
most underrated: I’m actually going to go with The Shape of Water here. It is #11 of 2017 on TSPDT and that’s off. There’s no way there are more than 5 better films from 2017. If you have it at #11 you’re focusing far too much on the narrative and not enough on the visuals.
The Shape of Water
- It’s a blend of many films and influences (del Toro is a notorious cinephile– Hawkins’ character’s apartment is even directly above a movie theater) but, clearly, a work that only del Toro could come up with. It, quite brilliantly, has his stamp all over it. There are archetypes and genre-blending but it’s never a copy or a genre film (aside from his own genre which almost all great auteurs create).
- Influences include 50’s sci-fi (creature from the black lagoon of course), Tim Burton (sort of a modernized gothic expressionism), Wes Anderson (that décor and color pattern could almost be out of grand Budapest), films like Dick Tracy, Amelie, from and Cocteau’s surrealist beauty and the beast (1946)
- I like the performances (they’re all good but I do think Hawkins is the standout), the screenplay is creative but not one of the best of the year, make no mistake about it, the reason it’s one of the best films of 2017 and will go down as such is the production design. It’s a visual feast in every single scene—incredibly detailed and choreographed almost
- Nods to silent cinema with Hawkins, fairy tales, but it’s sexualized and clearly not just a child’s film
- The ending and relationship almost couldn’t have more in common with pan’s labyrinth. It’s tragically sad (there’s a bit of an upbeat tick here at the end) but it’s almost as if Ofelia from Pan’s (Ivana Baquero) grew up to become Hawkins and fell in love with the monster. Instead of the Spanish civil war in Pan’s we have the cold war here as a backdrop. Michael Shannon plays the Sergi Lopez “Vidal” character and even Doug Jones is back as the monster
- Teal galore—– even the key-lime pie– visual formal beauty and rigor—we have countless picture frame artwork-worthy mise-en-scene shots and every poster, piece of furniture and clothing accessory is painstakingly picked and designed
- Confident it isn’t a masterpiece after two viewings
- We have formal elements in the story- the eggs, the sex, the movie/escapism/surrealism moments
- It’s hard to accomplish but it’s so clearly the work of an expert craftsman (it cuts on a dime, and it’s impeccably detailed) and eccentrically personal
- Richard Jenkins has been good before but at age 70, I think it’s clearly his best work to date- many of the best scenes (both poignant and comic) involve him
- one of the handful of best original scores from the great Alexandre Desplat– an Academy
- Award win for him
- there’s a film in the foreground and another in the background for seasoned cinephiles- we have lighting detail, rain detail in the mise-en-scene, even something as small and minute as a salt and pepper shaker at the table isn’t white, or black, but a translucent teal color
- i think it’s underrated by many because it cute– it is a fable– there’s not a real edge here
- fantastic silhouette closing image- masterful
- Must-See level film- top 5 of the year quality


gem I want to spotlight: Crimson Peak. I’ll get to it more in stylistic innovations/traits but there’s one solid film going on here in the foreground and a breathtaking work of art in the background here with the mise-en-scene and production design.

stylistic innovations/traits: Del Toro is a master of mise-en-scene. He doesn’t move the camera like Cuaron or Inarritu but his work in color, shadow and production design is as good (Cuaron) or better (Inarritu). Del Toro is a renowned cinephile- influenced by everyone from Wiene/Murnau and the early German expressionists to the science fiction B movies of the 1950’s. I feel David Lynch’s surrealism and maybe a tad of Burton’s (they’re actually close to contemporaries) gothic worldview. Fairy tales, escapism, and the outsider is important to del Toro. He believes in a pretty clearly defined good (child or child-like traits) and evil (usually connected to authority or government).
top 10
- Pan’s Labyrinth
- The Shape of Water
- The Devil’s Backbone
- Crimson Peak
- Cronos
- Hellboy II
By year and grades
| 1993- Cronos | R |
| 2001- The Devil’s Backbone | R |
| 2006- Pan’s Labyrinth | MS/MP |
| 2008- Hellboy II | R |
| 2015- Crimson Peak | R |
| 2017- The Shape of Water | MS |
*MP is Masterpiece- top 1-3 quality of the year film
MS is Must-see- top 5-6 quality of the year film
HR is Highly Recommend- top 10 quality of the year film
R is Recommend- outside the top 10 of the year quality film but still in the archives
@Drake- Did you see Frankenstein? What did you think of it?
Guillermo del Toro films I have seen ranked:
1. Pan’s Labyrinth (2006) – MP
2. The Devil’s Backbone (2001) – MS
3. The Shape of Water (2017) – MS
4. Hellboy II: The Golden Army (2008) – R/HR
5. Hellboy (2004) – R
6. Pacific Rim (2013)
7. Blade II (2002) – NR
These comments surprise me and make me wonder if I had a terrible read on this movie and would therefore require a rewatch a few years from now; I’m just not seeing it right now: yes, the production design was excellent, and Elordi delivered his best performance yet, but everything else I felt to be lacking: mise en scene was pretty weak compared to Del Toro’s previous work (there were only a handful of shots I found to be exciting, and this was a 150 minute movie), lighting looked wrong for the most part… and it doesn’t help the script felt just a heavy-handed and lessen version of Shelley’s masterpiece novel.
I don’t want to say it’s a “Netflixified Frankenstein” as a pejorative idea in a year where Netflix dropped the outstanding Train Dreams (maybe the best movie of 2025), but at times it did cross my mind.
I’d love to read any point of view that shed some light on my ignorance here haha I feel I’m missing out on something great.
@Javi- You make some interesting points here.
I will say that you do make some good points, though to put it simply, we do certainly have different opinions how the movie is. I can understand the issue with the script cause for many they made the story, but honestly these changes still makes an wonderful experience in terms of storytelling and to me, the best adaptation since Whale’s Bride of Frankenstein. I would say something but the mise en scene being but sadly I haven’t seen a lot of GDT’s films so I can’t compare the mise en scenes from those to the one seen in Frankenstein.
I remember seeing his adaptation of Frankenstein last month of holly hell, this is easily the movie he HAD to direct. Everything from the amazing art direction, costume design, cinematography, and the performances from Jacob Elordi, Mia Goth, and Oscar Isaac.
I currently have it as my number one of 2025, just goddamn there’s so many masterpieces that came out this year (in my opinion) and this is one of them
@dom – Yeah for sure. I think it confidently surpasses the visual achievement of The Shape of Water too so it’s top 2 del Toro.
@dom and @harry- wow- that’s high praise for sure- I’ll make sure I prioritize- thank you
@Drake – Berger’s latest film on Netflix is another you should prioritise. Stunning interiors and colour usage. I think it’s even better directed than Conclave and All Quiet on the Western Front and those were already impressive films. If you need more convincing I can put together some screenshots.
@Harry- thank you- noted- haven’t seen it yet either but will try to remedy that soon.
are you referring to Ballad of a Small Player? I didn’t hear good things about it sadly, though i did see someone talk about the color grading being amazing
@dom – the critics and general audience are wrong on this one
Frankenstein (2025) which was just released on Netflix is pretty spectacular. I am actually posting this while watching and the production design, lighting, and use of color all stand out. I have only seen one of his films previously which was Nightmare Alley (2021) which I found impressive
@James Trapp- The Devil’s Backbone is so great. The older Spanish actors here are so good (Federico Luppi and Marisa Paredes).
My ranking of Del Toro`s films that I`ve seen:
1. Pan’s Labyrinth MP
2. The Shape of Water MS
3. Nightmare Alley MS
4. Crimson Peak HR
5. The Devil’s Backbone HR
6. Pinocchio R/HR
7. Hellboy 2 R/HR
8. Hellboy R
10 Best Performances
1. Cooper- Nightmare Alley 5
2. Baquero- Pan’s Labyrinth 5
3. Hawkins- The Shape of Water 5
4. Blanchett- Nightmare Alley 4.5
5. Lopez- Pan’s Labyrinth 4.5
6. Jenkins- The Shape of Water 4.5
7. Strathairn- Nightmare Alley 4.5
8. Shannon- The Shape of Water 4.5
9. Dafoe- Nightmare Alley 4.5
10. Bradley- Pinocchio 4.5
@RujK- High praise for B. Coop here in Nightmare Alley!
Yeah, I think he actually gives the best performance of 2021. He just impeccable and viciously indelible. Together with his comedic work in Licorice Pizza he completely astonished me as an actor.
Just finished Pinnochio. One of the freshest remakes I’ve seen recently that keeps the core of the original yet isn’t afraid to take the influence forward and evolve. Some great imagery and worldbuilding. Worth checking out, going with R/HR.
@Harry- Very nice- thanks for sending up a flare. I hope to get to both this and Decision to Leave (hit MUBI streaming- at least in the US) today
@Drake – Would love to hear your thoughts on both if its not too soon for that
@Harry- I was able to get to both of them this past week. I have added them both the the archives- but I am yet to be really wowed by something from 2022 yet.
Have you seen Nightmare Alley?
@M*A*S*H- I have- Was lucky enough to catch it in theater before it leaves. How about you?
@Drake how many 2021 films do you have in the archives so far, and any pages for them coming soon?
@Harry- I have 25 films so far from 2021 and counting. I’m seeing at least 3 or 4 every week. I do have pages for over half I think and more coming as I can catch up to them.
@Drake- I saw it too. Are gonna archive it?
I loved it. It does feel bigger more ambitious than Pan’s labyrinth and shape of water but I’ll club all 3 together. I’ve not seen the original one.
I really loved Cooper’s and Blanchett’s performances.
Now I’m dying to see Parallel Mothers.
@M*A*S*H – I am definitely going to archive it. We’ll see how it shakes out with the TSPDT list for 2021 but Nightmare Alley could end up on the most underrated section. I was able to catch the original Nightmare Alley as well and will have pages for both. And yes- I am very eager to catch Parallel Mothers.
@Drake- It’s great that you say that. It’s getting underrated right in front of our eyes. It’s now a custom where period epics with handsome production design and costumes is considered a work lacking substance. I can give you hundred such examples from The English Patient and portrait of a lady to 1917. I’ll never understand people’s obsession with themes and uniqueness. People trashing Nightmare Alley generally have Titane (a fiasco imo) as their best films of the year.
@M*A*S*H-Trashing on Nightmare Alley? I wouldn’t call a certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes a trashing. I can give you some examples like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas(1998-MS), Sympathy for Mr. Vengence(2002-MS), 1900(1976-MS) all are still rotten on RT. But have high IMDb ratings. People liked them but critics trashed them. Another good example is Ludwig(1973-HR/MS). Has a 36 on RT.
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Isn’t Del Toros signature visual style and Ron Perlmans magnetic performance enough to make it into the archives.
Haven’t you seen it?
@Janith- haha yep- I have.
Hellboy(2004) must be in the archives.There is no point in archiving the sequel without archiving the equally good original.
The Devils Backbone is a Must See film.It’s as good as Shape of Water if not better.
@Janith- appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Any reason behind your comment here? Always helps to help for me to get another prospective.