best film: It is The Master (2012) here by a landslide. This is both a compliment to Paul Thomas Anderson’s film (one of the best of the 2010s decade) and sort of a nitpick at Joaquin Phoenix’s filmography. The number two film here is probably James Gray’s Two Lovers (2008) but that is a few steps down from The Master. Joaquin has a cluster back-end of the top ten quality of the year films (maybe as many as seven (7) – including all of the work with James Gray) but is lacking that second masterpiece or that film that seriously contends with The Master.
best performance: Joaquin Phoenix gives the best male acting performance of the 2010s in The Master so there is a decent sized gap in this category again between the top spot and everything else. Same here though – the overall depth is strong – there are performances like his turn as Johnny Cash (Walk the Line – 2005), his second time with Paul Thomas Anderson in Inherent Vice, and his project with Lynne Ramsay (You Were Never Really Here) – this is high quality work spilling out of his top five (5). It seems doubtful Phoenix will ever touch the highs of The Master and his work as Freddie Quell again – and that is totally fine. Freddie Quell is one of cinema’s great characters. Phoenix nails the ticks, the posture – his face a brilliant craggily façade. The processing sequence is screen acting at its finest.

The Master – this is Paul Thomas Anderson’s companion to There Will Be Blood – and Joaquin Phoenix’s performance belongs in the discussion with Daniel Day-Lewis’ work. The film is end to end highlights – some subtle – some bold – like the scene in jail where Phoenix is unhinged like an early Marlon Brando Stanley Kowalski.
stylistic innovations/traits: Performances like Joaquin Phoenix’s in The Master do not come along often and still, he has enough here to make him anything but a one hit wonder sort of Peter Lorre or Malcolm McDowell-type resume (those two were not total one hit wonders like Bjork or Falconetti but still lean to that type of top heavy resume). One more big achievement would be crucial to help Phoenix climb up this list – and he has plenty of time. He was born in 1974 – the same year as peers Leonardo DiCaprio and Christian Bale. He is as talented as either of them. And, like both DiCaprio and Bale, Joaquin was a successful child actor. He followed in the footsteps of his older brother River Phoenix of course – who sadly passed away in 1993 at the age of 23. Joaquin had a few credits (including working with Gus Van Sant like his brother) in the 1990s – but 2000 was his breakthrough year – he stunned film fans in the immensely popular Gladiator, impressed in Quills and started his four (4) time connection with James Gray (The Yards). In one year, he showed he could act at the same level as Russell Crowe (white hot in 2000) and Kate Winslet (same). His work has been more than stellar since then with mentions as one of the best actors of the year in 2008, 2012, and 2019 (and close again in his strong 2013 with bot Her and The Immigrant). Joaquin is a four-time Oscar nominee (winning for Joker in 2019) with nineteen (19) total archiveable films and counting.

Joker – Joaquin Phoenix does the unthinkable and makes the Heath Ledger as Joker debate a real thing. First off, Phoenix’s physical transformation (he shed 50+ pounds and shapes his body to accent his disorientation he is like a one man canted angle) pays off. Joker’s manic laugh (he laughs when others do not, and when they do, he does not), the sympathy he earns, the timing (he is off a beat in every interaction – on purpose of course ) — this is a very special performance. His face is a canvas – large, long features – Edvard Munch’s “The Scream” painting in real life. Phoenix dusts Robert De Niro off the screen in their scenes together. De Niro is past his prime and Joaquin in the middle of his here in 2019.
directors worked with: James Gray (4), Paul Thomas Anderson (2), Gus Van Sant (1), Oliver Stone (1), Ridley Scott (1), Spike Jonze (1), Lynne Ramsay (1), Ari Aster (1). The James Gray collaborations seem to be over (nothing in the ten years from 2014-2023) and that is a shame because that was such an artistically fruitful partnership – but Phoenix seems to have no lack of promising auteur collaborations to choose to work with.

Phoenix in 2008’s Two Lovers – the third of four collaborations to day with the great James Gray. Outside of The Master, the work with Gray is the strongest part of Phoenix’s resume to date.
top five performances:
- The Master
- Two Lovers
- Joker
- We Own the Night
- Her

from We Own the Night (2007) – the film’s narrative is really like a reverse version of The Godfather (Gray is a Francis Ford Coppola acolyte for sure) – instead of Michael Corleone, who is a part of the straight world, getting pulled into the family business of crime (this is Gray so Brighton Beach again) – Phoenix plays the sketchy nightclub guy who gets pulled into the family business – being a policeman. This is a film of alternative patriarchs – certainly Shakespearian Amazing achievement in the film from Phoenix – his bloated face from drug use and bloodshot eyes.
archiveable films
| 1989- Parenthood |
| 1995- To Die For |
| 1997- U-Turn |
| 2000- Gladiator |
| 2000- Quills |
| 2000- The Yards |
| 2002- Signs |
| 2005- Walk the Line |
| 2007- We Own the Night |
| 2008- Two Lovers |
| 2012- The Master |
| 2013- Her |
| 2013- The Immigrant |
| 2014- Inherent Vice |
| 2017- You Were Never Really Here |
| 2018- The Sister Brothers |
| 2019- Joker |
| 2021- C’mon C’mon |
| 2023- Beau is Afraid |
@Drake – Have you seen Joker: Folie à Deux? And if so, how would you grade?
@James Trapp – I caught it in January and did archive it- but didn’t have it amongst the best of 12-15 films of 2024. I put a “Recommend” for now until I revisit
@Drake- What grade did you give Eddington?
@Malith- haven’t seen it yet actually- comes to HBO later this month and will be watching
@James – to chime in, I posted my thoughts on this on the Joker page but thought this was stronger than an R despite all the criticism the film received.
Top 10 for me. With Gladiator, Beau is Afraid, To Die For.
Is Joker: Folie a Deux a top 5 performance for Phoenix?
@Anderson- I’ll let others chime in of course- but if you are asking me- it is not.
Where does Phoenix go from here? Because his last 3 films(Napoleon, Joker: Folie a Deux, Beau Is Afraid) have not fared well critically(or commercially). Eddington feels like it is Beau Is Afraid all over again and not Hereditary or Midsommar. And also the controversy with Todd Haynes.
@Anderson- It has been a rough stretch for Phoenix all things considered. I don’t care about box office at all- just talking about the quality of these films. I’m not ready to give up on Ari Aster by any means- high hopes for Eddington here.
@Anderson – Phoenix’s last 3 major films:
Napoleon
Joker: Folie a Deux
Beau Is Afraid
While all 3 were consider disappointing I would not say it was primarily due to Phoenix’s performance. With Napoleon it was more the screenplay and aspects of the direction. With Joker Folie a Deux it was largely the direction and screenplay. With Beau Is Afraid the screenplay and length were criticized even though overall the film had fairly strong reviews although much less than Ari Aster’s first 2 vastly superior films
I am not saying Phoenix should be completely free of criticism but I do not think he was the major issue, although his performance as Napoleon was strange and probably the weakest of the 3
@James Trapp and @Anderson- if you dig into some of the trade gossip (not something I usually care much about) it appears Phoenix was pretty heavily involved in the potential re-writing of scenes for all 3 films. Just a guess- but there would be a little ego/power thing after Joker’s massive financial success.
@Drake@Anderson – I did not know that. I think the silver lining here is that Phoenix is working with auteurs. Just glancing at his filmography, he has never gone more than a year without an acting role since 1995. I think he still has some great performances left in him
@James Trapp- Right agreed overall- not sure I’d call Ridley Scott an auteur anymore- and one does wonder if it wasn’t Phoenix’s involvement that sort of broke Aster’s hot streak to start his career
@James Trapp-His semi-retirement from films between 2009-2011 is quite infamous.
@Anderson – Yeah I remember that although I don’t really take actor “retirements” all that seriously unless it is someone like Daniel Day Lewis and it is related to family or if they are at least in their 70s. Phoenix seems like a bit of an oddball so it is harder to decipher his actions and know whether or not to take him seriously at times
@Drake – “not sure I’d call Ridley Scott an auteur anymore” Interesting, why do you think he has lost auteur status?
@James Trapp- I didn’t mean to sound overly negative- I watch Ridley’s films often- and he’s a great craftsman. It is just been decades since he’s had a “there’s not doubt about that- that’s easily in the top 10 of the year” film. If you made a list of the 4 best films of between Aster and Ridley it would be 2 films a piece– and Ridley is 50 years older.
@Drake – No I think that is fair assessment of the quality of his work in the past several decades. I just meant more do you feel like he longer possesses a distinct style and thus lacks true authorship with his recent work?
@James Trapp- Tough question with Scott- not sure I have a great answer- something to chew on for sure
My top 5 of his performances :
1 – The Master
2 – You Were Never Really Here
3 – Her
4 – Joker
5 – Walk the Line or We Own the Night
@KidCharlemagne-No Two Lovers?
@Drake- i have selected few roles played by other actors that Pheonix might be really (and equally) good at. Would you please comment if I’m thinking in the right direction or not.
I want others to chime in too.
I’M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT I WANNA Recast- they’re excellent as it is. I’m just figuring out how Phoenix would have fared in some of the roles from his generation that suit him. I do this with every actor I love.
1. Donnie in Donnie Darko (if it’s shot in 1995-7). Phoenix would make it different – he’d make it intense, more unhinged. Phoenix was excellent at playing troubled, weird teenager roles.
2. Ennis in Brokeback Mountain. Phoenix would be excellent here I think. He has right intensity and ruggedness. Can also act stoic.
3. Joker in The Dark Knight. Ledger’s version is quite different from Phoenix’s. Ledger is more energetic more direct. Phoenix is more introspective (also he’s playing Arthur Fleck not Joker so to speak). But I think that a high octane Joker is also within Phoenix’s range as an actor.
4. Robert Ford in the assassination of Jesse James. Phoenix although intense can play timidity and wide eyed naivete very well. Also like (as you say in your review about Affleck) Phoenix is younger brother of River Phoenix who also had superior looks.
5. Lee in Manchester by the sea. Phoenix can be raw and melancholic (Her, C’mon C’mon (also paternal warmth)).
How many of these can you see?
@M*A*S*H- Really love this- and the disclaimer that you don’t want to recast. I guess I can see them all- the one I’d pay most to see is him as Robert Ford. How about you?
@Drake- absolutely! Both the Affleck roles are absolute perfect fits for Phoenix. Followed by both Heath Ledger roles.
They are the 2 actors that are often brought in comparison to Phoenix. (Similar acting styles and looks)
When Phoenix is playing awkward outsider type character he resembles Affleck, and when he’s intense and rugged he resembles Ledger.
Here’s another great role for Phoenix – i think he’ll really be great in Take Shelter Curtis role. Shannon has an everyman ordinariness that Phoenix can also play and match his intensity as well.
@M*A*S*H-I don’t see Phoenix in the Ledger roles. He comes off too pathetic imo. Not a criticism but it’s there in most of his roles.
@Lionel- I don’t think he plays pathetic.
For Brokeback Mountain he’s very suited. He has to be more stoic than usual. This character is within his range. I also don’t think that it’ll be very different from Ledger’s work. Both of them are very alike.
As for Joker he can channel the madness. Can be energetic as well think of the prison scene in The Master. His Joker would be different but only a tiny bit like Ledger has more smooth speech pattern.
I think Phoenix always plays pathetic, disturbing characters who had a bad childhood and has mommy issues. I don’t see him in Ledger’s Joker role because Phoenix can’t command and instill the fear needed as the main villain. Brokeback he probably can do but Ledger is more naturally good looking and masculine and I won’t replace him with Phoenix.
@Lionel- as mentioned in my original comment I’m not replacing anybody it’s just a fun excercise.
I think Phoenix would absolutely nail Ennis role. He has made a career playing masculine rugged characters. Here unlike Shame, looks are not necessary and I think Phoenix and Ledger just differ by a nose. Both have similar jawline and facial structure.
Joker he’d be just a tiny bit different I agree, but exhilarating still. Pheonix’s voice is more rugged while Ledger’s is more smooth i guess.
@Lionel- what do you think about Donnie Darko?
His performances in Gladiator and Joker: Folie a Deux are heartbreaking. Everyone abandons him at the end especially Nielsen in Gladiator and Gaga in Joker: Folie a Deux.
What’s the better Joaquin Phoenix performance? Joker or Joker: Folie a Deux? I would actually give the edge to the sequel.
@Malith – I’d go with the sequel because Phoenix is still just as creepy and dark yet succeeds with a wider range of emotions like guilt and regret
The love/passion part was the tiebreaker for me. If the 2nd film has more guilt/regret the 1st one is more unhinged/dangerous/expressive/explosive.
@Drake-What did you think of Joker: Folie a Deux?
@Anderson- I have not had the chance to catch it yet. I did see that Tarantino thought highly of the film and Joaquin’s performance.
J. Phoenix’s best films ranked:
1.The Master(2012)-MP
2.Two Lovers(2008)-HR/MS
3.Joker(2019)-HR
4.We Own the Night(2007)-HR
5.Her(2013)-HR
6.You Were Never Really Here(2017)-HR
7.The Yards(2000)-HR
8.The Immigrant(2013)-HR
9.Inherent Vice(2014)-HR
10.Gladiator(2000)-R/HR
11.C’mon C’mon(2021)-R/HR
Crazy the amount of around HR level films he has and a big drop off from The Master.
I was saying before how exciting the future is for Joaqin with Joker 2, Napoleon and films with Lynne Ramsey and Pawel Pawlikowski being his upcoming projects.
But now he’s also aligned with another top autuer and will lead in Todd Hayne’s upcoming 1930s drama.
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/5/6et9btr8b4qmqzixl3503y8i8x363n
The future is looking bright for his career!
@Harry – Bright indeed! These can’t all happen, right? We’ll see. Hard to think of a film more anticipated for me than the next thing from Pawel Pawlikowski
@ Drake – I jinxed it lol, just saw this morning on world of reel that the Pawilowski film has been scrapped
@Harry- haha I know- I saw this news, too. Hopefully just a hurdle they get over.
@Harry – Even with the superhero aspect of it I never even considered Joker 2 as a serious possibility and apparently neither did Warner Bros (link below) It is described as a “musical psychological thriller”. Interesting for sure.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-starring-joaquin-phoenix-brings-first-trailer-cinemacon-1198708/
This comment did not age well at all aside from Joker 2 being good
Do you guys think Joaquin Phoenix will have a better perfomance than his on The Master? Do you agree with drake? when he says Joaquin Phoenix is on his prime
@Tozoco – I can certainly hope he tops it one day but I honestly would be surprised if Joaquin Phoenix ever gives a performance better than The Master (2012) as it is one of the best of all time. The one actors who I think have 2 performances at that level would be
Marlon Brando – The Godfather (1972) and On the Waterfront (1954)
Robert De Niro – Raging Bull (1980) and Taxi Driver (1976)
Al Pacino – The Godfather II (1974) and Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
Jimmy Stewart – Vertigo (1958) and It’s a Wonderful Life (1946)
Humphrey Bogart – He might have three; The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) and In a Lonley Place (1950) and Casablanca (1942)
Maybe I am missing a couple others but they are rare
*the only actors
@James Trapp-I think Brando’s performance in Last Tango is the best screen performance of all time
@Malith – I watched that film for the 1st time in the last few weeks, it is incredible performance for sure, not ready to label it that but very impressive. I love that opening shot, the camera movement and the way Brando delivers his first words. Few actors could communicate so much emotion with facial expressions as well as Brando.
I already have my top 50 of the best male performances (waiting for Drake to post his top 100) and Phoenix is in my top 15 (10-15 range).
Hey Drake, thanks for this page on my favourite actor working today; Archives updates make my days better 🙂
Just wanted to point out that the character’s name is Freddie Quell, not Quill. I wouldn’t normally bother to mention such a minor point, but I think the meaning of “quell” is relevant to understanding the character (defined by his inability to quell urges)—and probably the homophony with “quill” is relevant as well (Freddie as Dodd’s muse or “quill”).
@Logan 5- Thank you for the kind words on the site and this is a good catch/correction. Thank you!
Phoenix’s best films
1.The Master-MP
2.Two Lovers-HR/MS
3.The Joker-HR
4.We Own the Night-HR
5.Her-HR
6.You Were Never Really Here-HR
7.Inherent Vice-HR
8.The Immigrant-HR
9.Gladiator-R/HR
10.The Yards-R/HR
First the gap between The Master and his 2nd best film, performance is huge. Then he has an incredible number of HR or near HR level films. And he plays a crucial role in every single one of them
I Hope Napoleon is a masterpiece.
@KidCharlemagne- haha me too. Would be 41 years between masterpieces for Sir Ridley. One can hope though.